«Дар освобождения», курс 14 «Красота учителя», занятие 7

[Geshe Michael Roach] (0:00 - 0:23)
We okay, Adam? ,ZHES GSUNGS PA BZHIN ZHING YIN RTEN TSUL, Can you make it bigger? Is it possible?

Good, okay. ,ZHES GSUNGS PA BZHIN We just had a verse, and I will repeat the verse. It said, Don't make a lot of connections with many teachers unless you check them out first.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (0:28 - 0:36)
After you check them out, for maybe years, then ask them to be your teacher.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (0:40 - 1:00)
After that, you have to respect them. This is a custom. And if you do respect them, and you have affection for them, then it is Dharma.

It's just the way things are.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (1:00 - 1:01)
It's dharmata.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (1:03 - 1:58)
That you will always have beautiful teachers in the future. Because, ,LAS CHOS MI ZA BA What's that mean? Karma ,CHOS MI ZA BA It never just goes away.

Not possible. If you make a nice coffee for somebody, a hundred coffees will come to you. You can't stop it.

And after you plant that seed, it will stay in your mind until it opens. Even if it takes a million years. Nothing can destroy that seed.

Nothing.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (2:00 - 2:05)
Once you plant a seed, it cannot disappear.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (2:05 - 2:26)
It must open. That's why there's a future life. The seeds which do not open in this life, they open after you die.

Oh, but Geshe La, what about four powers?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (2:30 - 2:34)
Can't I destroy all bad seeds?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (2:35 - 2:57)
What did the Dorje Chupa say? What's the Dorje Chupa say? Diamond Cutter Sutra.

Yeah, you make a karma to kill somebody. You kill somebody. You're supposed to get killed a hundred times after that.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (3:00 - 3:05)
But if you do the four powers, what happens?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (3:06 - 3:51)
You get a headache. Buddha didn't say you destroy the seed. You just trigger it too early.

Like if you have a watermelon seed, shikwa zhong tsu semilla sandia, if it's winter time and you make that seed warm and you put some water on it, will it open? And you put it here on the brick. Will it open?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (3:51 - 3:59)
If you keep it warm and you put water on it, will it open?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (4:00 - 4:11)
Yeah, it will open. Will it grow semilla? Will it grow, sorry, sandia.

Will it grow shikwa? No, it will die.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (4:12 - 4:15)
It's too cold. There's no soil.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (4:17 - 4:33)
So the four powers they don't actually destroy the seed. They make it open too early. And premature is a good word.

Premature is a good word.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (4:33 - 4:39)
It opens too soon and then it dies.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (4:41 - 6:17)
And then what did Buddha say in Diamond Cutter? What happened to ... You're supposed to die a hundred times.

What happens? You get a headache. And then it's finished.

But chu mi sawa [?] means you cannot destroy a karmic seed. Not possible. You can make it go off too early and then it will be like a wimpy seed.

Wimpy? Okay. So if you have a good relationship with a good teacher in this life, that seed, chu mi sawa, after you die you will have hundreds of teachers in your future.

And you can see that when you see emptiness directly. Shortly after that you can see that. Okay, now we reach the hard part.

,GZHES GSUNGS PAR BZHIN, ,BZHIN YIN RTEN GZUGS CI BZHIN BYAS NA, ,DE'I BYAS PA RGYU MTHUN, ,GZHES BYAS PA RGYU MTHUN, ,BYAS PA RGYU MTHUN, ,BYAS PA RGYU MTHUN, Okay, this is really confusing. Are you ready? So there's a group of scriptures called Abhidharma.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (6:20 - 6:20)
Abhidharma.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (6:21 - 7:42)
It's some of the earliest books of Buddhism. It started with a disciple of the Buddha, Maudgalyayana. Maudgalyayana.

And he started to collect what a Buddha said into a book. Like he's listened to the tapes of all his teachers and put the book together. And he called that book Abhidharma.

And then that custom started to spread and now there's a lot of Abhidharma books. I didn't teach whole Abhidharma yet. It took 12 years when Rinpoche taught it to me.

But the four Starbucks steps come from Abhidharma. So you are already using Abhidharma. But in the second chapter of Abhidharma, they talk about where does stuff come from?

Where do things come from?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (7:45 - 7:51)
And they talk about six kinds of causes.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (7:51 - 9:11)
And they talk about five kinds of results. I'll tell you why they talk about it. One reason why they talk about it.

Everything must come from a similar thing. If you want a watermelon, you have to plant what? Watermelon.

But what if you want something which never existed before? What if you want to see emptiness directly? See, you never did that.

In all your millions of past lives, you never did that. Then every experience must come from a similar experience. So how is it possible that you can ever see emptiness directly?

If you want to know about that, we'll do later. You have to study Abhidharma.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (9:14 - 9:16)
You have to study Abhidharma.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (9:16 - 10:39)
We're going to do a little bit, I'm going to start a little bit in April. In Arizona. But to do it well, it will take a long time.

Okay. So just I will tell you the five kinds of results. Let's start something small, okay?

First one is called in Abhidharma, drelway drebu, drelway drebu. For example, we said if you keep thinking about the partner who's not there, that's not your fault. Sorry, for no reason at all.

If you keep thinking about the partner who yelled at you who is not in the kitchen, there will come a day when no one can make you angry. In English we say push your button, right? It will be impossible for anyone to push your button.

That's called drelway drebu. Drelway drebu means the result where you lost something forever.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (10:40 - 10:44)
The result where you lost something forever.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (10:47 - 11:36)
Let's go that again. When you come, when you come in the kitchen, when you walk in the kitchen, and your partner yells at you, in that moment, if you can remember that that partner who's not your fault could not be there, because you can only, you cannot, you cannot be angry at the partner that you made, and that you understand you made this partner. You cannot be angry.

Okay, I have to tell you the shower story.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (11:39 - 11:40)
I'm sorry.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (11:40 - 12:00)
You have to come back to Abhidharma later. This is a DCI joke, okay? So I lived in New Jersey.

It's terrible. Very cold, very cold.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (12:00 - 12:01)
Very dirty.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (12:04 - 12:20)
So you have to wear these big thick socks. I think 11 months every year, I don't remember. And I only had one good pair.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (12:23 - 12:23)
Thick socks.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (12:25 - 13:02)
Then we have many refugees living with me. There are five or six monks living there. They are all refugees.

One of them, when he came to America, he landed at Kennedy Airport from India. And he's like, he's very nervous. I won't say his name, okay?

Then I'm like, what's wrong Geshe La? I need a toilet really bad.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (13:06 - 13:08)
I said, why didn't you just go in the airplane?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (13:12 - 13:45)
This is 30 hours in the airplane. They have toilet on the airplane? Okay Geshe La, come on, come on.

Put him in the toilet. He closed the door. It locks itself, right?

Then we are waiting outside for like half an hour. Then I can hear, help me, help me.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (13:49 - 13:55)
Run inside. He's a little bit fat, okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (13:56 - 14:22)
Hung. He's trying to get out under the door. I said, Geshe La, stop, stop.

Just open the door. I tried, I cannot do. Just turn it, open this thing.

It's okay. Oh, okay, okay. I have to teach them everything.

They are like kids.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (14:23 - 14:29)
So when they go to take a shower, they never had a shower before.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (14:31 - 14:53)
Then they are like, hot shower. Then the water goes everywhere in the bathroom. Then I walk in with my only pair of socks.

Water everywhere.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (14:56 - 15:01)
In Arizona, the socks will dry in one hour.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (15:01 - 15:29)
In New Jersey, they won't dry for 20 years. Then I said, okay, look, this is called shower curtain. When you go inside and you close the curtain then you take a shower.

Then they are like kids. It took five or six times, but they understood.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (15:34 - 15:49)
Then me, I have to get up at 5.30 every morning to go to New York to the diamond business 19 years. I always set the clock.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (15:50 - 15:53)
If you are a working person, you understand.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (15:55 - 16:02)
Set the clock for 5.30. Go to bed. 5.29?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:03 - 16:10)
Just sit up like that. Stop the clock. You don't even open your eye.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:11 - 16:11)
Stop the clock.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:12 - 16:15)
Because it sounds bad. It makes your headache.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:17 - 16:18)
Then get out of the bed.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:20 - 16:21)
Go to the shower.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:23 - 16:23)
Turn it on.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:25 - 16:26)
The water hits you.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:27 - 16:29)
Then it hurts.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:29 - 16:48)
Then you open your eyes. Then you get ready to go to work. Then Saturday is a problem.

Sometimes you wake up at 5.30 automatically on Saturday. Saturday is a rest day.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:50 - 16:51)
Recovering day.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (16:56 - 17:15)
But sometimes on Saturday still you go like this. Go in the shower. Turn it on.

Shower, water hits you. Then you are like, Then you say, Today is Saturday.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:21 - 17:25)
Today is Saturday. Go back to bed.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:27 - 17:37)
Go back to bed. Don't turn the shower off. In my house, I get up at 12 on Saturday.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:37 - 17:39)
On Saturdays I get up at 12.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:39 - 17:48)
And all the monks make me special lunch. So I wake up at 12. I can smell the lunch.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:50 - 17:54)
I feel good on Saturday. Day off.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (17:56 - 18:32)
Go to pee-pee before lunch. Why? Why?

Say, luk sa sok go re luk sa sok go re It's an old Tibetan thing. Before you put new food in, you have to get rid of the old food. Understand?

So I have to go to the bathroom first. So I walk in the bathroom.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (18:34 - 18:37)
Cold water. Socks got wet.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (18:38 - 19:08)
Then I go out to the kitchen. I told you guys, you are refugees, I understand. Three years I teach you to close the shower.

Who didn't close the shower? One by one there. I didn't take a shower today.

There's one Geshe, he said it's unhealthy to take a shower in the winter.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (19:14 - 19:16)
So I don't have to worry about him.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (19:20 - 20:34)
From October to May he doesn't take shower. Okay, then everybody say, we didn't take it, we didn't do. You know, there's this, you know Jampa Lung Rin, very polite.

Excuse me, Geshe La. I turned off the shower today. Somebody else turned it on.

I think maybe maybe you. Then I'm like, oh yeah, oh yeah, okay. That's okay.

We can forgive Geshe Michael. Why are we talking about this? What were we talking about before?

Before, after Abhidharma. The husband who's not in the kitchen.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (20:36 - 20:54)
There's two husbands in the kitchen, right? One doesn't exist. That's the one you're angry at.

That's the one that, for no reason at all. Who's the other one?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (20:55 - 21:01)
You turned that one on. That's the one you turned on.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:04 - 21:06)
Oh, that's okay, that's okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:07 - 21:10)
You know, you created the, you created the angry husband.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:11 - 21:12)
It's your fault.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:14 - 21:21)
Then in the whole world, we always forgive one person. It's me.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:23 - 21:24)
That's okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (21:25 - 22:01)
But we don't get angry. There's no one to get angry at. You don't go in the bathroom and look in the mirror and say, Geshe Michael, you are stupid.

We don't do it. When you understand that all the bad people in your life are coming from you, you cannot get angry. Not possible.

When you cannot get angry, that's nirvana. Okay? Understand?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (22:02 - 22:02)
Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (22:04 - 22:57)
So, we go a few more minutes, okay? When you give up your anger forever, that's the first kind of result in the Abhidharmakosha. Second kind of result is namin.

Namin means karmic result, which opens after one month, or three lives, or a hundred lives. In the Yoga Sutra, what does it say? I'll give you the first word, drishti.

Or if you're an American yoga teacher, you can say, drishti.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:01 - 23:02)
Drishti.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:04 - 23:05)
Drishti or drishti?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:06 - 23:07)
Drishti.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:10 - 23:27)
This is a very famous Yoga Sutra, right? If you're an American yoga teacher, if you do something to hurt somebody, it will come back to you. Drishti or adrishti?

What's it mean? Seen or not seen? What does it mean?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:31 - 23:31)
Yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (23:31 - 24:19)
This life or later? This life means you see it. Drishti.

All your future life's called adrishti. You can't see it now, but you will see it later. So the second kind of result, it can take one hour, or it can take a thousand lifetimes.

Then we have dakdre. Let me see. What do you say, dakdre?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (24:20 - 24:20)
Dakdre.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (24:20 - 27:01)
Comes from jegyu. Jegyu means anything which causes another thing is a dakdre. What do you want to call that?

I don't know. I don't know. Cause and effect.

I mean it's basic cause and effect. Anything which causes another thing then that thing is called dakdre. It means a general result.

Then, next one is called gyu tun gyu drubo. Gyu tun gyu drubo. It means the same kind of thing.

That means like, what can we say? That's like sandia. Like a watermelon causes a watermelon.

These kinds of causes are not exclusive. One thing can be two or three of them. Then there's called, here we have, what's it called?

He said chepa gyu tun. Chepa gyu tun. He's talking here about a special kind of cause.

It means same kind. The cause and the result are the same kind. There are two kinds of it.

And that's what he's talking about in the book here. So if you didn't study Abhidharma, you don't know what he's talking about. And both of these are in the four flowers.

So one is called nyongwa gyu tun and one is called chepa gyu tun. What are the four flowers? Guangzhou, what are the four flowers?

Just tell me what they are. I mean, not each one, just tell me. What does it mean?

It's the four ways that karma opens. So Guangzhou studied this already.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (27:03 - 27:19)
First one, if I lie to somebody, well, first result, someone will lie to me. Second result, I will get a bad habit.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (27:21 - 28:05)
I will start to lie all the time. Third result, I will live in a corrupt country. Lots of corruption.

Fourth result, after I die, I will go to a place where people lie. So, in Abhidharma language, which is very difficult, the first one is called nyongwa gyu tun. It means a similar result, but an experience which is a similar result.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (28:12 - 28:15)
If you lie, other people will lie to you.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (28:17 - 30:22)
If you eat meat, if you kill animals, your life will be shorter. You are making your life shorter. Second kind, chepa gyu tun.

Say chepa gyu tun. Habit, right? You will, I don't know how to say.

Okay, I remember. When I was, I think 15, I discovered girls, or something like that. Then, you know, I started to borrow my mom's car.

In Arizona, you can drive at 15 if you have a teacher. So, go out with a girl, you know. Then the first three or four dates, you come home on time, because you're not doing anything.

Then on the fifth date, you discover kissing. Then, okay, this is before I became a monk, okay? We used to have drive-in movie, drive-in movie.

You take your car, you park the car, there's a speaker on a wire, you take the speaker, put it in the car. So, my mom used to take us to the drive-in, because it's cheaper. Four brothers.

One car is the same price. You have one person in the car, you have ten people in the car, same price. So, I went to the drive-in movie with my girlfriend.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (30:23 - 30:27)
Then, then discover kissing.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (30:30 - 30:47)
Then, suddenly on the door, on the window, there's like this, on the window. Then I'm like, what, what? You know, there's a policeman.

He has the big metal flashlight, he's hitting on the glass, you know.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (30:54 - 30:57)
Open the window. What's wrong?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (30:59 - 31:13)
It's two o'clock in the morning. Look, everybody's gone. Two hundred cars are gone.

He said, you have to leave, I'm supposed to lock the gate.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (31:15 - 31:17)
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (31:18 - 32:24)
Okay, we will go. The movie ended like three hours ago. Don't worry, don't, we are leaving, you know.

Then you say, oh no, my mom's going to kill me. Then you drive her home. Her father's waiting outside.

Then go to my mom's house. She's also waiting in a chair, just like that. How the mom can sit like that for three hours?

Maybe you can ask Katie's mom, okay? Come in, and she's waiting near the door, you know. Why are you late?

Good translator. Then, well, mom, we had flat tire. Oh, really?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (32:26 - 32:27)
Which tire?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (32:33 - 32:47)
Then, first time you lie to your mother, you're not very good at it. Then she said, okay, you're grounded. Grounded means, okay, two weeks you cannot see your girlfriend.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (32:50 - 32:54)
Don't be late next time.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (32:54 - 32:56)
Then, of course, you're late again, you know.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (32:59 - 33:10)
Many times. Then, come home. Mom is waiting.

What happened? Flat tire. Which one?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (33:11 - 33:31)
Back left side. Policeman came, helped us change the tire. Third screw is broken.

Do you know how hard it is to find a garage at 10 o'clock at night? Mechanic was a nice guy. His name is Frank.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (33:36 - 33:41)
Then your ability to lie improves.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (33:42 - 34:16)
You become expert, lying expert. That's chepa gyu tung gi gyu. Okay, chepa gyu tung gi gyu.

Sorry, chepa gyu tung gi gyur bu. This is the ... okay, I finally came to the subject.

This is in the Abhidharma. chepa gyu tung gi gyur bu means you get the habit to lie. It becomes easier to lie.

Now, why are we talking about that?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (34:17 - 34:24)
He said, in the book, it's there, okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (34:24 - 34:25)
chepa gyu tung gi gyur bu.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (34:25 - 34:33)
If you serve your teacher well, then you will get chepa gyu tung gi gyur bu.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (34:36 - 34:54)
And then the next line he says, serab tam je tu geway shen yin kyi mi pongwa That's the most important line. mi pongwa means you will not be poor of teachers. It means you will always be rich with teachers.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (34:59 - 35:16)
So he used a very difficult Abhidharma word to explain if you have a sweet relationship with your teacher, then you will always have teachers.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (35:18 - 35:44)
Because sandia makes sandia. Watermelon makes watermelon. And in this case, a special kind of watermelon makes a watermelon.

Habit. You get a habit. Tatha, now he says a very controversial ...

Okay, I'm sorry I didn't give you a break, but I'm not sorry.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (35:48 - 35:51)
Fifteen more minutes, okay? Just suffer, it's okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (35:53 - 36:21)
You use up a lot of bad seeds. He says ... I think this next thing is controversial.

He says controversial thing. We have to ask ... After I say it, I'm going to ask you why it's controversial.

Then I'm going to ask you why he would say such a controversial thing.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (36:26 - 36:34)
Tatha. Tatha means right now. Soke shin nin.

You have a teacher.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (36:36 - 37:16)
He's a sokye. So-so-kye-wo. What's a so-so-kye-wo?

Person who did not see emptiness directly. So-so-kye-wo means just normal guy. Didn't see emptiness directly.

Tatha. By the way, those of you learning Tibetan, tatha in colloquial is tatha. It means now.

You don't go to the monastery and say, I want food tatha, because they don't know what you're talking about. It's mispronounced tanda.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (37:17 - 37:18)
Tanda.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (37:18 - 37:48)
Soke shin nin. You have a teacher, but that teacher is just a normal person. Rangawa shik.

Rangawa shik means just normal guy. Just a regular person. Just a regular guy.

Who didn't see emptiness. But. La means here but.

Sangye ngu kyi du she kye ne.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (37:49 - 38:07)
If you try, struggle, to think of them as a Buddha, they are just a normal person. They didn't have any special understanding.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (38:08 - 38:34)
But if you try to pretend they are a Buddha, and then ten sul chi shin chen na, then if you serve them as if they were a Buddha, chi mar. Chi mar means in your future life. Champa.

What's champa in Sanskrit? Oops. Maitreya.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (38:34 - 38:44)
You can meet Maitreya directly. And Maitreya will teach you.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (38:45 - 38:55)
Like Guan Yin or Amitabha, they will become your teacher. Then he gives another example. Jam Yang, who's that?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (38:59 - 38:59)
Manjushri.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (39:00 - 39:06)
Tabu Lama Dang Gel [?]. You will meet them. Real angel.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (39:09 - 39:11)
Real Buddha.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (39:11 - 40:11)
CHOS THOS PA'ONG And they will teach you. Okay? Then they will teach you.

So, what he said in this sentence, your Lama is a normal person. Didn't see anything special. Try to pretend they are a special person.

And that karma will create in the future, you can meet a Lama who is a Buddha already. Okay? This is Pabongka Rinpoche talking.

The teacher of the teacher of the current Dalai Lama. No problem? That's a little problem, I think.

What?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (40:14 - 40:19)
What's the problem? Why is this controversial?

[Geshe Michael Roach] (40:21 - 40:28)
He's not a regular guy. Okay? Duh.

Okay? He's a great, great, great, great being.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (40:31 - 40:32)
Extraordinary being.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (40:34 - 41:35)
Then why would he say that? Yeah, I think a couple of reasons. One is called kyenpa kyung [?].

Say khenpa kyung. Khenpa kyung means when you are teaching other people, you shouldn't tell them everything you are. You meet people, you shake their hand, you say, what's your name?

My name is Michael Roach. I went to Princeton University, I went to the White House, and also I was the first Geshe. Then you're like, I just asked your name.

They tell you all their achievements in the first five minutes. I have a friend, he's a famous heart specialist. He understands [?] this about famous doctor in the world.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (41:35 - 41:38)
Heart specialist.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (41:39 - 41:43)
He also makes violins by hand. For a hobby.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (41:43 - 41:49)
He makes what? Violin. Yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (41:52 - 43:03)
So he's traveling all over the world to teach people how to do heart operations, for example. To relax, he makes ancient violins. I knew him for several years.

He never told me anything about that. Then one day I was having coffee with him and I asked him directly, what do you do? Do you have any hobbies?

It's like pulling teeth. Slowly I find out his information. So it's a Buddhist custom.

You don't say, oh, I'm a special person. You try to be humble. I think also what you said is true.

He understood that most of the people sitting there saw him as a normal person.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (43:10 - 43:15)
So he's trying to fit what they see.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (43:15 - 43:17)
To make them comfortable.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (43:19 - 43:26)
He's trying to convince them to be good to their teacher.

[Geshe Michael Roach] (43:26 - 43:45)
So he said, I'm just a regular guy. We have ten minutes. We didn't quite finish benefit number six.

Let's take a ten minute break.