BDW 6 «Алмазный Путь Арьи», занятие 4
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Autotranscript · BDW6, Malaysia, Class 4 03.08.2026 / processed with Claude (AI) for Irra / Dharma · Malaysia · BDW6 Date: 9 July 2026 · Malacca, Malaysia · duration 1 h 24 min Teacher: Geshe Michael Roach Translation into Chinese: Stanley (consecutive; the Chinese translation was not captured in this recording) Source audio: ENG/CH Arya's Diamond Way with Geshe Michael Roach - Class 4 (July 9, 2026) ⚠ Warning This is an automatic transcript of the audio recording, roughly processed with Claude on 3 August 2026 by Irra Dzhabali. It is not an authorised record of the teaching. Speech recognition and speaker attribution may contain errors. Please check against the original recording. [] Host: Hello everyone and welcome back. We are happy to have you here for Arya's Diamond Way class 4 with Geshe Michael Roach. As we continue our journey, may today's teaching bring you new insights and support your practice. We invite you to settle in, open your heart and mind and enjoy today's teaching. Please join me in welcoming Geshe Michael Roach. Geshe Michael Roach: Hi, okay. ——— Slide 1 · What is the sham in shamatha? A sign is the harmony. ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: All right, good morning. Here we go. What's the next picture? It should be two ... some young man talking to two older people. Yeah. We were in the middle of shamatha, and in my case, I first learned about meditation from my teachers in the Himalayas in like autumn of 1974. And then I was meditating really hard. And I can tell you some tips. And one of the tips is, if you reach shamatha, and you know the sham means peace, shā means peace. You will be a nicer person. Surprise! ——— Slide 2 · What does shamatha look like? ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: And I don't mean spaced out. So, spaced out looks like that. Okay, that's not shamatha. And a person who has shamatha is not like ... So, what does it look like if a person has shamatha? So, during those months when I developed shamatha, I came back to Princeton for six months to finish my degree. And I can tell you some of the signs that a person has shamatha. Then I got permission to stay in a house. I didn't have any money when I got back from the Himalayas. And it's a beautiful story. I was ... I don't know, I had $700 when I was in the Himalayas. Life was cheaper then. You can rent a bed for $0.25 per night. It's a macrame bed. Macrame means it's a wooden frame with a string. And the string is wonderful for bed bugs. And they come out and they sleep during the day in the string. And they are very tiny and you can't see them. Then whole night they drink your blood. Then, I don't know why, but they like to digest holding on to the wall. So, when you wake up it's like there's many small light bulbs full of blood on the wall. Hanging on the wall. Shamatha. So, I used up all the ... that was scholarship money. And I used it all up. Then I remember I didn't have money for a cab to the airport. So, I took a rickshaw. It means a guy running with two sticks running with a wagon. And I have a sitar also. And there's no internet. I can't tell anybody I'm coming. In my area, there's one telephone for three or four cities at that time, which goes overseas. Okay. So, on the plane I'm trying to think where I'm going to sleep when I get to Princeton. Then I was active in the church, Christian church. And I used to be ... what do you call? We call acolyte. You help the priest to give the wine and the bread and everything. Yeah. And this house on the front of your paper, that's called Proctor Foundation. It's 250 years old. It's a big house, maybe nine bedrooms. The priest can live there, and in my Christian religion, the priest can marry. And I helped to choose the priest. The old priest retired. We interviewed a lot of new priests. So, he's in charge of all the students. Then I thought, he's living in a big house. Across the street from the university. If I can just meet him, maybe he will let me stay in the house for six months. So, we landed at Kennedy Airport. Very late came to Princeton. It's like maybe an hour and a half or two hours from Kennedy. It's like nine o'clock at night. The university is pretty closed at that time. And there was one late night eating place for students who can't sleep. And I thought, you know, I'll go there and I'll figure out a way to meet the priest. And so I went there, and there's only one person in the whole cafeteria. And it's the priest. He's like waiting. And I'm like ... Then I sat down with him. And he goes, do you need a place to stay? Then he asked me, do you need a place to stay? I said, yes, yes, yes. He said, we have a big house. I said, I know. And the top story you can see, it's empty. There's nobody there. And I'm like, I don't want to tell him I don't have five dollars. And he says, you can stay for free. I'm like, okay. Then he said, but ... I have two rooms. I have two children. Two years old and four years old. And my wife and me didn't get to have a good date for many years. Since the kids were born. So, if you agree to babysit the kids two nights every week, we can go out. You can stay for free. So, I'm like, wow. Okay, it's a deal. I remember the first night they went out. The two-year-old is like an angel. The four-year-old is like a devil. I think they wrote that book. And they start screaming, kicking the door, breaking windows. And so, I was there for six months. And we should have a stupa there also. Because, I read shamatha there. And I think it's because the house had a blessing. Many priests lived there for 200 years or something. Einstein's house is on one side. And my Buddhism professor's house is on the other side. So, it's like perfect. And I worked hard to take care of those kids. Then I said, after graduation, I have to go live with my lama. Then I didn't go to my graduation. Because I had to work. So, I used to drive a truck to make money. The graduation ceremony needs truck drivers. So, everybody gets this nice uniform and this square hat. I never got one. I'm driving truck. In the morning comes, I'm supposed to go to live with my teacher. So, when that morning comes, I'm supposed to move to my teacher's house. And the car came. I'll tell you about the car later. And the family said, Mike, sit down. And I'm like, alright, I got to go. And they said, well, we have an idea. And I'm like, what? They said, you live with us. You stay with us. Rest of your life. Free house. Just little babysitting. And I really almost did. Princeton is a very beautiful town. It's a very kind family. And he said, look, I got, you have a position at the seminary. You can become a priest. I got your position. Then I'm like, I got to go. But what I mean is that if you reach shamatha, I think one of the signs is that you have great harmony in your life. You have a great love for other people. And people can feel it. Even they don't know what you're doing, sitting down for so long. Next picture. By the way, that's them asking me to stay. But that's the closest picture I could find. The last picture. ——— Slide 3 · No such thing as shamatha in a vacuum ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: That's the AI version, okay? He's actually more handsome. She's more beautiful. They're still alive. He's like 90. Okay, next picture. Next picture. I call this shamatha in a vacuum. It means when you hear stories about people who reach shamatha. It feels like they are sitting in a jungle by themselves, and eating berries from the trees and things like that. But I would say there are many conditions around you that you can put them together and it will help you reach shamatha. And again, our whole week's classes is supposed to focus on the last two perfections. So we have time for me, in our preparation for Diamond Way, which will finish this week, we have time to talk about the last two perfections. Yeah, the pot. Okay, good. So I had permission to use the church house kitchen. In the same house? Yeah, same house. Then the family will make their dinner and I will quietly make my dinner on the side. And if you ask my wife, my holy wife Veronica, she'll tell you I only know how to cook one thing, which is dal, Indian beans. So, in India, I learned how to cook Indian beans. And I am cooking it every night, one pot. ——— Slide 4 · Duchung chokshe: few wants, easy satisfaction ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: Same thing. No other expenses. Like, I'm living on nothing. And I still had my truck driving job, so I made some money. My mom was dying at that time. And so, we call in Abhidharma, this book, DE CHUNG tsok ZHES I like this expression, it sticks in my mind, but I didn't know why. But DE CHUNG means you don't need much. Like, if you get some small bowl of beans every day, you're okay. At Princeton, there's a rule that the student who drives the truck to deliver the food supplies to the rich kid's restaurant can sneak in and eat lunch. And the religion department has free coffee and milk in the morning. So, for breakfast, I go to religion department, I drink all their coffee. For lunch, I make sure I'm on the schedule to deliver food to the rich kid's dormitory. And then for dinner, I cook my own beans. That's called DE CHUNG. The other half is called tsok ZHES. tsok ZHES means ... So, DE CHUNG means you don't need much. tsok ZHES means you are friends with your old stuff. Rob asked me, Geshe-la, you always wear one pair of shoes. You got any other ones? I have one or two. But I think my friends know I wear these like 300 days a year. And I don't feel sad or anything. We are old friends. And my clothes are the same. My wife said, can you please change your pants every six or seven days? My expenses are almost zero. tsok ZHES means the stuff I have is my old friends. And I feel happy. I feel ... how do you say? It's like sitting with old friends. The Abhidharma says this combination is very powerful for shamatha. And my life has changed a lot since those days. And because of my philosophy, a lot of money comes to me all the time. This morning, how much? I don't know. Twelve thousand something? Can I stay? I can stay. I get payment. I'm the only person who's supporting both armies in the Ukraine-Russia war. I think my books are something like number three foreign author in Russia. And many troops from Ukraine met me in Ukraine and said they read my books in Donbas. Donbas is the state where the fighting is toughest. And there's some crazy soldiers. They have all the Diamond Cutter books in the back of the car and they open the car and they give the book and then they close the car and they drive to the next place. So I think I'm the only person paying tax for both side weapons. But I don't need the money. I don't use the money. I give it to my students. I'm your teacher. So I have more money now. But I don't use it. It's not for me. I don't use it. That's RGYUD CHUNG tsok ZHES. Then you can develop shamatha. Next picture. In most universities, when you finish your PhD, you have to write a small book called a thesis, right? Dissertation. And at Princeton, you have to write it after the third year and after the fourth year undergraduate. And it's big, big stress for the senior student. Big stress. There's a deadline. You have to reach a deadline. I remember one of my ... You know those beautiful high towers at Princeton? Like 300 meter high. So one of my classmates, he's so pressure about his senior thesis. He finished it. Gave it to his department. Climb up the tower and jump off and kill himself. Because so much pressure. So, I'm finishing my dissertation during that shamatha time. And I wrote it about basically Shantideva and Gampopa. Because that's what I studied in Himalayas. Then during the whole dissertation, I'm bragging about my trip to Himalayas. Then I remember, I was typing it. I had to borrow a typewriter from the department. You go to the secretary's room at night and use her typewriter. Religion department. ——— Slide 5 · Reducing opportunities for false importance ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: Halfway through the dissertation, I'm like, stop. You're not writing about Gampopa, you're writing about yourself. You're doing this Geshe Michael bragging about yourself by talking about Tsongkapa. Suddenly I realized that I'm boasting. The dissertation was a lot of boasting. And I remember, I erased a lot of it. I took a lot out. There's still some there. Princeton keeps a copy of every dissertation. Anatole got one recently. So, I still have this habit. But I was fighting it very strong. And I think that helped me to develop shamatha. So, be aware of your self, focusing on yourself. And do your best to reduce it. It's very difficult to teach and reduce your ego. Reduce your pride. When you teach, it's very common you feel... I see, I see. So, I think, you know, people ask me, I want to reach shamatha. Should I put my left leg up first or should I put my right leg up first? Which one? I say, you should put other people first. Which way you put your legs, it doesn't matter. So, how much do you take care of other people? And if you want to develop shamatha, if you're serious about shamatha, and you cannot see emptiness without shamatha. Impossible. If your mind is too distracted about your self, you cannot reach this level of focus. It doesn't mean you have to give up all your money or you should run away from your family or even your dog, Jeru. You should be aware every human being has pride. Every human being cares. You don't comb other people's hair in the morning, you comb your own hair, if you have hair. Thinking about yourself first and then thinking about other people is almost definition of a human being. If you want to reach shamatha, you have to fight with this habit. You don't really win that war until you become a bodhisattva. But if you don't fight it, you cannot reach shamatha. I don't think so. Just be aware and try to focus on other people. Okay, next one. This is a few months after I saw emptiness. And recently, where was that? Rob found a picture of me. I used to, for college, I used to work in the summer, I used to build houses. Then I would go surfing every day after house building. Until dark. And then every other day, I would go to San Diego football team's gym and lift weights with them. By accident, Rob found one photograph He likes to show it to people. ——— Slide 6 · Letting go fancy clothes & hair ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: Guess who this is? But what I realized during those months I believe that if you want to develop shamatha, you have to reduce your focus on how do you look and how do you dress. Every human being has this kind of pride. We all have this kind of pride. That's why there exists a thing called mirror. We like to look in the mirror. We all have it. So, I think to get shamatha, you have to know you have it. You don't have to solve it completely. I think that's almost impossible until you become bodhisattva. But you have to know who you are and you have to reduce it. Don't worry about your clothes so much. Why? Your mind cannot focus on those small things and focus on the big things at the same time. It will get too crowded inside. You should look nice. You should wash your clothes once in a while. I got a haircut in Singapore. Why did I get a haircut? Jasmine came to my place six months ago. Then she said, Geshe-la, we were sitting at Peach Tree Cafe (?) together Geshe-la, there's a hair cutter across the street from the cafe. Let's go over there. And I'm like, why? You have to get a haircut. Then I'm like, I don't like haircuts. No, no, no, you don't understand. In China, some scientists developed a new method to cut people's hair, take the hair, make real diamond. Then in my time, you can do it, but it would cost like ten million dollars or something. But of course, Chinese scientists are much better than any other scientists and they developed a way to do it not that expensive. Then she said, we will cut your hair and I will make video while we cut the hair. Then we make diamond and we do auction. And we give the money to charity. Then, I said, I live in this town for twenty years. We call incognito. Nobody knows who I am. And I like it. If you ask someone, who's that guy? They will say, he's the owner of the cafe. They don't know anything about Buddhists, nothing. Then I told her, listen, we can't do that. In this town, I'm unknown and I want to stay unknown. Twenty years I'm hiding. That's why I don't want three thousand people coming to my little town of five thousand people to do empowerment. It will be in all the newspapers. People will bother me all the time. So we said, don't worry Geshe-la, we will just be ten minutes away from your house. It's okay. The corner of 179 and 17. It's fifteen minutes from my house. We'll put a few hundred people there, nobody will know. When Anatole and I used to go to dinner in our town, we will go to the gas station and sit on the sidewalk. So, I would like it if we can keep everything quiet. Understand? Okay. And we will have other places far away. Okay, so anyway, we had another person make the film and she brought the hair back. Now, I just told you I try not to do things to increase my pride. My friends said, don't worry, you can't increase your pride, it's already really big. But Jasmine asked me, can we auction it? And so we've been auctioning these diamonds. In Singapore with Jenny Wang (?), we had an auction. We made enough money to support 50,000 children next year. Sorry. Sorry, no, yeah, 50,000 kids in Mexico. And so, I would like to auction these diamonds. Jasmine will do all the work as usual. Starting around 1993, I think, in New York, I started teaching ACI. And I made a rule at the beginning. I don't make any money and we don't charge anything for the classes. Nancy was there. And so we kept that tradition for ACI up to now. No, Geshe-la, I paid to come to Malaysia. You didn't pay ACI to come to Malaysia, you paid the hotel. And the food and all the rest. We don't charge for students and the teachers don't make any money. Then honestly, it's difficult to ask a teacher who has a family Oh, Nick (?), we have very noble ACI. We don't want to charge the student. You just tell your wife you don't have any money this month. So, we are always trying to find a way to keep the program free but feed the teachers' kids and dog. Understand? So, please make a bid on these diamonds and buy them for some ridiculous price. A ridiculous price. And we will use the money because of the new five houses structure. I estimate we need 15 new staff We have to pay for that and I don't want to charge the student. So, please participate in the auction. If the diamond is too much for you there is a special coin which we made in Xi'an. By the way, I don't like being a salesman but I will do it for the Dharma. I'm sorry, I'm willing. So, it's a silver coin from Xi'an. It has some ancient letters on the back. It's a mantra about diamond. My calligraphy. So, if you want to if the diamond is too much Jasmine will tell you how to get a coin. We have a few coins left from Xi'an. Okay, I finished my advertising. Please help us support the teachers. Nobody is going to get rich teaching at five houses. But at least they shouldn't go hungry. Okay, next picture. So, at that time I was playing music and I was playing sitar and I had two sitars. They were very expensive and I was good. I used to play concerts. So, I played a concert at that time. I played a big concert in the university. And then John Malpas (?), we played together. And we made money for supporting some other kids at that time. And we donated all the money. And then suddenly I realized what am I going to do with this sitar? I realized I have an attachment to the sitar. And I felt really like I want to focus on my meditation. And I felt the sitar was a little bit blocking me from my shamatha. So, I called the two kids up to my room and I gave them each a sitar. It's very expensive and they are four years old. I'm like, here's one for you. And I left it in the house and I went to stay with my teacher. He enjoyed music. He loved to watch symphony on the TV. Like hundred instruments played together. And he's like, now that's cooperation. He said, if you try to have a symphony in a monastery, you will never... Everyone's like... That's wonderful. I didn't play music all those years when I was there. I didn't play for 25 years. I play nowadays. Me and John Brady (?) promised to play for you in October. ——— Slide 7 · Reducing possessions ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: But, I think when you're deep into developing shamatha, probably you should reduce your valuable possessions. I believe music is a good thing. I believe it's very healthy for you. But these instruments were very valuable. And when you teach this to other people, there's a very easy method. And you say, how many pairs of shoes are in your closet back in Romania? Nobody will say, oh, I don't have shoes. Everybody will go like this. That memory is in your mind. Your mind is like a computer drive. It has a megabyte or a kilobyte capacity. Everything you own is taking up space in your mind. If you can remember any of the pairs of shoes you have in your closet at home right now, that is keeping you back from shamatha a little bit. If you can. So, it's important to know that. It's important to admit it. And it's important to do something about it. First time my teacher taught me this, I took a lot of stuff from my closet and I took it to the garbage can in front of the temple and I threw it in the garbage can. Had dinner. Took shower. Went to bed. Woke up at 2 a.m. Went out to the garbage can. This thing I really need. I'm not kidding. I remember. So, you have to be tough. After the garbage truck drive away, I thought I should run after the garbage truck. But, let it go. And then a little bit of room in your mind. Easier to reach shamatha. Nowadays, I have a lot of responsibilities. We have 41 organizations. My life is meditating, teaching, and fundraising. Me and John have the same life. It's hard. What I mean is that bodhisattva idea. It's not a bad thing to own a lot of things if you are using those things to help other people. So, there is a balance. The sitar at that time was expendable. I can give it up. And my shamatha will be greater. So, think about it. If you are owning things because you want to use them to serve people, keep them. If you are owning things because you are like me and you are too lazy to clean the shoes out of your closet for 12 years, then be tough and get rid of them. Okay, got it? I'm going to do one more. This is a really fun concert we did. We got Mike Hoffman (?) on piano on the left. Grandpa played guitar. Mrs. Anatole Aisha (?) singing. Teacher Rob Haggerty (?) played drum in the background. Sarah is singing. Where is Sarah? ACI. She sang a nice jazz song. Then there is Anatole on piano and his son Kiri (?) also played piano. Geshe-la, why you show this picture? That was a couple months ago. We had a fun time. If you look carefully at Anatole, you can see a hat over his shoulder. That's my friend John. Different John. He's the best guitar player I ever met. We played music together at Princeton and we made a lot of money. It helped to pay for the airplane and everything. Oh, you think it's the green shoulder? Oh, I'm sorry, that's hustle. You have to look behind Sarah's butt. There's a green shoulder. That's my friend John. When I went to India, I had a lot of friends at Princeton. We were a pretty well-known band. We played in a bar in town. Every week we played there. I practiced Russian during the breaks in the bar. My homework. We get paid pretty good and free drinks. The bartender told me, what are you always studying during the breaks? I said, I have a Russian class the next morning. I'm memorizing Russian words. Then he's like, you need a white Russian. I think it's milk and vodka. Okay, look, I wasn't a Buddhist yet. ——— Slide 8 · Reducing social life, but being wise about this ——— [] Geshe Michael Roach: But after I came back from Himalayas, I thought I should cut down my social life. I had an instinct. Either you can have your old social life like party, play music, but it will hurt your shamatha. So I purposely cut my social life down. I had one close friend during those six months. And that was my friend John. We are still close friends. So I say, if you want to get to shamatha, you have to reduce your possessions. You have to reduce your pride. And you have to reduce the things that you own. And you have to reduce your social life. You don't have time to do all those things and have shamatha. I don't mean you should go to all your friends and tell them, shamatha is more important to me than you. But just wisely reduce how much you go out. I go to the cafe almost every day. I have social life there. I meet people. That's business. That's how I do my work. But I think my good friends know it's difficult to get me to go out just for fun. And I love people. I really enjoy people. But you have to make some choices. If you want shamatha, you have to reduce the things you're thinking about. I don't know where this one came from. Where is he? Oh, he's on the left. Good friend. He came to India with me. He met. Anyway, reduce your life. Simplify your life. It's easier to reach shamatha. If you don't reach shamatha, you cannot see emptiness. It's not possible. We have five minutes for questions. By the way, we love Iran. Question from the audience: Thank you. Iran loves you. Thank you so much. Geshe Michael Roach: Thank you. And we hope this stupid thing will stop. We hope so. Question from the audience: Me too. And I hope I'm the seed for that. Because I'm the only Iranian here. Thank you. I was not expecting that. Thank you very much. You always say that when you want to do meditation, before you start, you should invite your teachers and offer a gift. I just want to say, hearing your voice, not just listening to it, but even hearing it, takes me to meditation level. I can hear to your voice and just solve the hardest mathematics question of a math teacher. Or sit and just play one of your videos and come up with a new idea of a new course. So I'm in that phase. And now I'm going to ask a question just like what we do in meditation. We have an object and we want to focus on it. So I just would like to do my meditation right now properly and start with an offering to you in a diamond way. As I'm the only Persian speaker here, I just offer my help to start joining maybe your translation team and start translating your teachings to Persian. And considering the population of Persian readers, I hope it's a good offer and I sincerely hope you accept. Host: Are you finished or do you have more? Question from the audience: No, I have a question. Geshe Michael Roach: I'll quickly summarize what you said. But I just want to say, I'm new to this. Question from the audience: Maybe we can start with the easy ones. Host: Okay, okay. Question from the audience: So, here's my question. When we do meditation, we have an object to start with or we have questions or we need to do some fixations or some dullness to find ways of dealing with our dullness. And I think you noticed that I'm using all the keywords I learned from the Gift of Liberation teaching of yours to just let you know that I knew some stuff. So, sometimes when we do this, we are blessed to see things or hear things or feel things. My question is, how can we know these things that we see are from the source? How can we know they are legit? How can we know that we can rely on them? It's not just from our mind or our desires. I'm so sorry. People here are asking about emptiness. I don't even know the expressions. They're very high level and I'm so sorry. My question is very basic but it has baffled me for many years and if I know the answer, it will help me greatly to move forward. So, I appreciate your answer. Thank you. Geshe Michael Roach: First I ask Rosa (?) to stand up. And Lindsay (?) to stand up. These guys will give you all the books to translate into Persian. And Rosa can help you choose the right books to start with, and she did it many times and successfully. And I would love nothing more than to see the books in Persian. I think it's very kind. We're going to talk about the answer to your question. Here's something interesting to think about. All the real objects around you are coming from seeds in your mind. And all the things that you think you see which are not real are coming from the same kinds of seeds. For example, if you think someone at your job is trying to hurt you, and then you find out they're actually trying to help you, that idea that they were trying to hurt you is also coming from your seeds. So the real things around you and the fake things around you are both real. Because they're both coming from the same seed bank. And a lot of times in meditation you will have some urge to do something. You stand up from your meditation. I got a message from Lord Buddha. I have to increase my chocolate ice cream intake. We got the same one? Then you have to pause. And you have to think about it. Will that chocolate ice cream help me and other people, or will it hurt me and other people? And it is possible that a demon will send you an idea in a meditation. It's very possible. You shouldn't carry out every idea you got in your meditation, otherwise I will eat chocolate ice cream all day. And that's why we have these books. That's why Nick's team is working so hard to translate the books. They give you guidelines. This idea is a good idea. This idea is not a good idea. Both ideas came in your meditation. So, my answer would be study. And this book, for example, is extremely difficult. If you have the ability to study, if you have trouble sleeping, I learned in the Geshe course, read one page. You will go to a deep sleep. It's very difficult. But keep trying. Keep trying. Keep trying. Keep opening the books. Even randomly. We'll talk about a special method before you go to sleep. Just open it. Let's do that. It says, bow down to compassion. Then go to sleep. And your mind will improve. The more you study, the more you can discern. Distinguish between a real message and a fake message. Okay. Alright. Oh, wait. I got a message. I'm supposed to have lunch. Host: Thank you. Thank you Geshe Michael. Thank you Stanley. Thank you every student online. And say goodbye to you. Thank you Geshe Michael Roach for this joyful and precious teaching. And we are grateful to all of you for sharing this time of learning together. May today's teaching continue to inspire your practice and bring clarity to your path. Thank you for being part of this journey with Five Houses. Our next session will be Arya's Diamond Way, Meditation II in rebroadcast. And we invite you to join us.