Медитация 3

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Let's talk about the third form level here.

[Speaker 2]
By the way, the third of the second level?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
No, the third of ... There's four forms, four formulas. And we're doing the third one.

These four have sexy names. These four have boring names. First form level.

Second form level. Third level, form level. Fourth form level.

Infinite space. Infinite consciousness. Nothing at all.

And peak, peak, peak. We'll get to those later.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Alright, we're on the third one now, third form level. Five components, five components. What's the main difference between level two and level three, okay?

Level two, you're inside the thing. And you're like blissed out, body and mind. So, the difference between second and third, you have to think of a person as they get drunk, okay?

I know nobody here got drunk before, but I mean, just watching other people. You know, first they're silly, you know? And then, if they keep drinking, there's like a flatline, a heartbeat flatline.

[Speaker 2]
You know? The feeling, the mental feeling, goes from happy, to just like unconscious, like ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Okay? Flat. Like ...

And, that's the difference between two and three, okay? It's like you took a very heavy drug or something. Like five sleeping pills or something.

[Speaker 2]
First one, you're happy. And after five, you're like ... Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Just ... The mental feeling, is like ... Okay?

I can't say it, you just have to ... Okay?

[Speaker 2]
Just like ... Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
The body feeling, is still like this. You know? Very LinkedIn [?], very like you're doing in a good good yoga pose, you know?

So, the body feels charged, like, I don't know, ballet dancer, right?

[Speaker 2]
When your balance is really good, and everything's charged, you're like ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
If your body hurts, if you have like knee problems, or you just did a crazy Ashtanga yoga class or something, you can sit in a chair, okay? If your knees interrupt your meditation, you should sit in a chair, okay? Or, try many different kinds of meditation cushions, and you will find one.

I know a guy that I studied with, he likes bricks. He likes to sit on bricks. So, we have bodily, you're wired.

In the body, you're wired. In the mental feeling, the feeling went beyond ... beyond mental pleasure to ...

And again, it takes maybe an hour to get there. So, we are just going to pretend, okay?

[Speaker 2]
And plant ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
plant a seed for that. As we did when we tried to imagine our past life, okay? The first couple weeks that you try to imagine your past life, the first two weeks that you try to imagine your past life, you will get some funny stories, like from Fantastic Four movie or something.

And then, like Bertha said, suddenly you will hook up with a real memory, or you know, something real will come.

[Speaker 2]
So, we will try the third form realm, and imagining that you are doing it, can cause you to reach it, okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Okay. So, these are the same. Body feels wired.

Mental feeling changed to ... We still have single point mind, okay?

[Speaker 2]
And two more things.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Drenpa and sheshin are very strong at this point.

[Speaker 2]
Drenpa and sheshin are very strong.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Who can tell me what's sheshin? Ah, that's drenpa. Sheshin is the fire alarm, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Sheshin is the smoke detector.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
When it smells the smoke, it will go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, okay? So, sheshin means ... it's a little alarm in the back of your mind.

You know, you're supposed to be focusing, I'm inside the heart flat line.

[Speaker 2]
And if you think about one of your four coffees, in this third level, your fire alarm should go, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Then you use drenpa. What's drenpa?

[Speaker 2]
Pull it back.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
My father loved fishing. In the second world war, he was on a submarine. So, he loved the ocean.

And he bought, when he was, you know, when I was around 15, he bought a PT boat.

[Speaker 2]
What is a PT boat?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
PT boat is a 50 ... it's a 20 meter boat, with two torpedoes. And they will attack a huge ship.

They will shoot the torpedoes, and then they will pray. John F. Kennedy was a captain of a PT boat.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
It's like ... it's kamikaze? It's like suicide, you know?

Then he take us out three, four days in the ocean. Play poker and fish. And the fish is a big one, like tuna, you know?

[Speaker 2]
And ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
And you have a special belt with a big hole in it, just below your important place. And you go like this, you go ... Okay?

Why am I talking about that? That's drenpa. It gets away, the mind goes away.

Then let it ... let loose.

[Speaker 2]
Then ... Oh yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
So, it's like that. You don't go like this, you see?

[Speaker 2]
You go ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Then, relax.

[Speaker 2]
Hold it. Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Then my father would bring us home to clean the tuna, you know? You start at the pee-pee place, and you cut up to here, you know? Then you pull out the guts, you know?

Then, about fifteen years later, the doctor told him, you have a heart problem.

[Speaker 2]
We have to operate, you know?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
But don't worry. We can take a blood vessel from your leg, and we will cut you from your pee-pee place up to here. Then I'm like, karma, karma, karma, karma, you know?

I didn't know about karma, but I thought, wow, that's really weird, you know? Anyway, he survived, but it was really messy. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
So, at the third level, feeling, the mental feeling, what?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Flatline.

[Speaker 2]
Okay? You guys are sleepy.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
You guys are sleepy. You want to do something else?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Physical feeling, what? Yeah. Boom.

Okay. Then, two mental functions are strong.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the smoke alarm, watching, watching to see if the mind goes someplace else, instead of the beating heart, instead of the beating heart, okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
If it goes someplace else, a strong pulling it back, and of course single-pointed, okay? That's five, okay? You guys ready to start, or you want to wait till digestion?

[Speaker 2]
What? If you're sleepy or drunk, no, don't think about directions [?].

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Don't think about directions. Just no emotion.

[Speaker 2]
Just the feeling, whatever the feeling is, the feeling happens.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
No, no. It's neutral. Completely neutral.

No happiness, no sadness, just neutral. Like you drank a lot. You drank a lot.

We're going to get to another space thing later. That comes later. Okay.

Everybody clear about neutral? It means you're not like, Okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Last one you were like, wow, this is cool, sugar. This one is more like a drug, okay? Okay?

Flat. Emotions are flat. Like, I don't know, these big wushu guys, you know, somebody hits them, they're like ...

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Somebody cut them, they're like ...

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
No emotion. No emotion. Beyond emotion.

Okay? Okay? Alright, let's go.

Let's get ready.