Танец льва: медитация для Колеса жизни (2017, Мексика), занятие 3

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Let's talk about the third form realm level here.

[Student]
By the way, the third of the second level?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
No, the third of ... There's four forms, four formulas. And we're doing the third one.

These four have sexy names. These four have boring names. First form realm level.

Second form level. Third level, form level. Fourth form level.

Infinite space. Infinite consciousness. Nothing at all.

And peak, peak, peak. We'll get to those later.

[Student]
Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Alright, we're on the third one now, third form level. Five components, five components. What's the main difference between level two and level three?

Okay? Level two, you're inside the thing. And you're like blissed out, body and mind.

So, the difference between second and third, you have to think of a person as they get drunk, okay? I know nobody here got drunk before, but I mean, just watching other people. You know, first they're silly, you know?

And then, if they keep drinking, there's like a flat line, a heartbeat flat line.

[Student]
You know? The feeling, the mental feeling, goes from happy to just like unconscious, like ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Okay? Flat. Like ...

And, that's the difference between two and three. It's like you took a very heavy drug or something. Like five sleeping pills or something.

[Student]
First one, you're happy. And after five, you're like ... Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Just ... The mental feeling is like ... Okay?

I can't say it, you just have to ... Okay?

[Student]
Just like ... Okay.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
The body feeling is still like this. You know? Very linked in [?], very like you're doing in a good, good yoga pose, you know?

So, the body feels charged, like, I don't know, ballet dancer, right?

[Student]
When your balance is really good, and everything's charged, you're like ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
If your body hurts, if you have like knee problems, or you just did a crazy Ashtanga yoga class or something, you can sit in a chair, okay? If your knees interrupt your meditation, you should sit in a chair, okay? Or, try many different kinds of meditation cushions, and you will find one.

I know a guy that I studied with, he likes bricks. He likes to sit on bricks. So, bodily, you're wired.

In the body, you're wired. In the mental feeling, went beyond ... beyond mental pleasure to ...

And again, it takes maybe an hour to get there. So, we are just going to pretend, okay?

[Student]
Plant ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Plant a seed for that. As we did when we tried to imagine our past life, okay? The first couple weeks that you try to imagine your past life, you will get some funny stories like from Fantastic Four movie or something.

And then, like Bertha said, suddenly you will hook up with a real memory or, you know, something real will come. So, we will try the third form realm. And imagining that you are doing it can cause you to reach it, okay?

So, these are the same. Body feels wired. Mental feeling changed to ...

We still have single point mind, okay?

[Student]
And ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
And two more things. CHEN PO and ZHI ZHIN are very strong at this point.

[Student]
CHEN PO and ZHI ZHIN are very strong.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Who can tell me what's ZHI ZHIN? That's CHEN PO. ZHI ZHIN is the fire alarm, okay?

[Student]
ZHI ZHIN is the smoke detector.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
When it smells the smoke, it will go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, okay? So, ZHI ZHIN means ... It's a little alarm in the back of your mind.

You know, you're supposed to be focusing, I'm inside the heart, flat line. And if you think about one of your four coffees [?], in this third level, your fire alarm should go, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Then you use CHEN PO.

What's CHEN PO?

[Student]
Pull it back.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
My father loved fishing. In the Second World War he was on a submarine. So he loved the ocean, and he bought, when he was, you know, when I was around 15 he bought a PT boat.

[Student]
What is a PT boat?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
PT boat is a 50 ... it's a 20 meter boat with two torpedoes, and they will attack a huge ship. They will shoot the torpedoes and then they will pray.

John F. Kennedy was a captain of a PT boat, yeah. It's like a ...

it's kamikaze? It's like suicide, you know, okay? Then he take us out three, four days in the ocean, play poker and fish, and the fish is a big one, like tuna, you know?

And you have a special belt with a big hole in it, just below your important place. And you go like this, you go ... okay?

Why am I talking about that? That's CHEN PO. It gets away, the mind goes away.

[Student]
Then let it, let loose, then ... oh yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
So, it's like that. You don't go like this, you see? You go ...

then relax.

[Student]
Hold it. Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Then my father would bring us home to clean the tuna, you know? You start at the pee-pee place, and you cut up to here, you know? Then you pull out the guts, you know?

Then about 15 years later, the doctor told him, you have a heart problem, you know?

[Student]
We have to operate, you know?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
But don't worry, we can take a blood vessel from your leg, and we will cut you from your pee-pee place up to here. Then I went ... karma, karma, karma, karma, you know?

I didn't know about karma, but I thought, wow, that's really weird, you know? Anyway, he survived, but it was really messy. Okay.

[Student]
So, at the third level, feeling, the mental feeling ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
what? Flatline.

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
You guys are sleepy. You guys are sleepy. You want to do something else?

[Student]
Yeah.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Physical feeling, what? Yeah. Boom.

Okay? Then two ...

[Student]
two mental functions are strong.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Yeah, the smoke alarm. Watching ...

[Student]
watching to see if the mind goes someplace else, okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Instead of the beating heart, instead of the beating heart, okay? If it goes someplace else, a strong ... pulling it back.

And of course, single-pointed, okay? That's fine, okay? You guys ready to start, or you want to wait till digestion?

Neutral. Completely neutral. No happiness, no sadness.

Just neutral. Like you drank a lot. You drank a lot.

We're going to get to another space thing later. That comes later. Everybody clear about neutral?

It means you're not like, yeeheeheeheehee!

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Last one, you were like, Wow, this is cool. Sugar. This one is more like a drug.

Okay? Okay? Flat.

Emotions are flat. Like, I don't know, these big wushu guys, you know? Somebody hits them, they're like ...

[Student]
okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Somebody cut them, they're like ...

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
No emotion. No emotion. Beyond emotion.

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Okay? Alright, let's go. Let's get ready.

Make your noise now. Turn off your phone. Alex, did you get the $50?

Whose phone was that? Whose phone was that?

[Student]
Ah, no, I didn't receive the $50.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Whose confession? You think it was from the hotel? Yeah, but me and Alex need some extra, you know?

Okay, let's go. I'm not sure it's going to work in the afternoon, but we don't have much time. Let's try.

When you meditate in the afternoon, if you did your preliminaries in the morning, you can just go straight to your breath. So, let's spend a little time on our breath. Long exhale.

Focus on the sounds outside, like the air conditioner and the small noises in the room. Now compare that to the beating of your heart.

[Student]
Now let go of the air conditioner, and drill down into the heart. You are the heart, and it feels really nice, very peaceful, very blissful.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Body is turned on. Body is very straight, very aware. Stay in the heart.

Be the heart with that blissful feeling. Now imagine it's like someone put ear plugs in your ears, and ear plugs on your feelings, and it's just everything, all the feelings stop in the mind.

[Student]
You went deeper into the heart, to a place where there's no emotion.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Stay there for five minutes. Keep your watchfulness strong. Be ready to pull the mind back deep into the heart.

Three long exhales. And you can open your eyes. Much more difficult for me after lunch.

I know, you also? Yeah. Okay.

Let's try the fourth level. Maybe there's a nap in there. Somebody asked me, what's the Je Tsongkapa text?

It's called Namshe Nyingpo Gyen. Namshe Nyingpo Gyen. Oh, it's called Jewel of the Essence.

It's his comments on Maitreya, Abhisamayalankara, okay? And, I think Gyaltsab Je had something to do with the text. He may have written it down.

Okay, fourth form realm level. Chenpa Yongsu Dakpa. Chenpa Yongsu Dakpa means, there's only three parts okay?

Only three components. I'm sorry. Four.

[Student]
Four.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
The single mind, mind stays on one point, that's the same.

[Student]
The neutral feeling is the same.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
The ability to keep your mind ... the ability to bring your mind back is called perfected.

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Very perfect.

[Student]
Very easy.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Watch, watch.

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
You're not fighting. Okay? The ...

how many parts we got?

[Student]
Three, yeah?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Okay, one more. This is debatable okay? I checked it in a few other books, and I ...

anyway. It says you're no longer making good karma or bad karma. The karma is neutral.

Okay? So, those of you who know Tibetan, there's a tang-nyom in number B, and there's a tang-nyom in number C. The same word.

In duje tang-nyom, the first one, it's explained as duje tang-nyom in another text. It means karmically neutral. You're not making good karma, you're not making bad karma.

Normally, if you're happy, you're making good karma. So, the flat line is so flat line that you're not even making any ... yeah, there's no detectable good karma or bad karma.

[Student]
Okay? So, like that.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
I'm not totally comfortable with that. I'll check it more, but that's what one commentary said. It's supposed to be, if you reach the fourth form realm level, you're making very good karma.

But, I'll check it. So, anyway, at this point ... your mind is still flat line.

Your feelings are still flat line. Okay? But it's much easier to stay there.

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
There's less resistance from your mind. At three, there was some resistance. And at four, it's ...

it's like you're cruising. Okay? You want to try?

So, what's the main difference between three and four? Yeah, less resistance from your mind. It's more of a flow.

And if you go off a little bit, it's easy to come back. Okay? You ready?

Did you have some coffee? I have an extra one. Anybody want?

[Student]
Come on, come on.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
That's a real man's coffee. Huh? Black coffee?

There's this one. Let me see. I don't know what that is.

Okay. Soy. Try this one.

Okay, ready? Then we'll go to maybe a half hour of karma, because we still have to finish the karma. Okay?

Then you'll notice something, but ... Where is Daniel? He's not ...

[Student]
Oh, good.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
So, tell him I covered his question. Okay? You want to know what his question was?

[Student]
He's the only person who asked me this question.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Geshe La, you never finished the Tantric Wheel of Life. Okay, let's just meditate. Come to your breath.

Let's do ten very slow exhales to bring the mind in. Now bring your mind to desire realm mind, watching the air conditioning noise. Don't look at your heart yet.

You're just focusing on the air conditioning. Now come to the beating of your heart. Compare it to the air conditioning, and then you think, Oh, I'd rather stay with the beating of my heart and let the air conditioning go.

Now focus on some kind of very nice feeling in your body, and very, very relaxed, pleasant feeling in your mind, as you are in the heart beating. And now the feeling of the mind and the feeling of the body as if you were ... Someone gave you anesthesia in the body and the mind.

Three breaths, three slow breaths. And then come out. I had a thought about that question, the two tong nyoms.

Let me check some ... I think it's physical neutral feeling, because up to now it's supposed to be physical bliss and neutral mental feeling. And I think the point on this one is, you're supposed to feel like someone gave you that anesthesia before operation.

Your body doesn't have any more sensation. So you don't feel sharp and wired physically. You're just not aware of ...

your body feels like it's numb. But I'll check. Okay, let's do a little karma, okay?

Sorry? Uh, yeah. There's three tong nyoms.

Let's call them. There's three. We'll talk about it.

Oh, stay in the lion's dance? You sure?

[Student]
Okay, let's do that.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
I'm up for it. Okay, due to popular demand. Okay, so now we go to the four formless realms.

Are they really formless realms? Ronit says no.

[Student]
Why do you say no?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Why? Yeah, they cause the formless realms. They're not formless realms, okay?

They cause. If you do that meditation a lot, and you die, you will be born in the formless realm, okay? So, here's Tsongkapa on the four formless realms, okay?

By the way, sometimes they call them kye che. Kye che usually is a book. It's from Master Vasubandhu's book.

[Student]
It means the 18 categories.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Sorry, 12 categories, kye che. Twelve doors of sense are called kye che. Twelve doors of sense.

Of sense. It means the six objects, and the six powers and consciousness. So, six and six.

Six and six. In Sanskrit it's called ayatana. Ayatana.

But sometimes they call the four formless realm meditations kye che also, okay? So, don't be confused. Okay, Zukmeshi La, Namka Taye Kyi, kye che.

These have cute names, nice names. The names help you remember the meditation. The first one's called infinite space.

Space with no end. Endless space, okay?

[Student]
The first one's called infinite space, or space with no end.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
suk dang tokpe dukshe rakpar tong ne, dukshe de yang dang yang du nambar shik ching nam kathay so, nyampe dukshe yang dang yang du gongpar chepay, ngu shi du su te ngun tu gyur pay, sem se chikpa tsung den dang chepa, Oh, there's the definition of it, okay? How do you say? During the four form realm meditations, we were focusing on the heart, right?

And there was some awareness of physical, the physical heart. Then as you go into formless meditation, you're going to take the heart, okay? And you're going to let it break down and dissolve.

So, we'll start at the heart. Beating heart. Awareness of some piece of meat in your chest, right?

And then the transition is very similar to the air conditioner to the heart.

[Student]
So, if you're teaching it, you have to say, now, compare your heart to endless space.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
So, between those two steps, at the fourth step of the form realm, you are still in your heart, right? As you go into the formless realm meditations, let your heart break down like a sand castle, the water gets to the sand castle and it starts to dissolve. Like a sugar cube that gets wet, you know?

So, you're going to focus on your heart, then let that, it's called here, the picture of physicality in your mind. And let that idea of physicality dissolve.

[Student]
Yes.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Then for me, what comes next, it always felt like to me like horizontal, I don't know why.

[Student]
The ...

[Geshe Michael Roach]
the heart dissolves like sugar, then the mind just stretches out infinitely, it goes infinitely, it never stops, okay? So, it's a feeling of like, you just start spreading and you keep going and you never stop, okay? As wide as the universe.

Okay? Let's try, we don't have a lot of time, let's try to go there. We're going to go, we're going to watch the breath, then we're going to dissolve the heart.

What's the condition of the body? Numb. Numb.

Anesthetized. What's the emotion? Nothing, nothing.

[Student]
Neutral.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Also, also anesthetized, okay? But there should be this sensation of, the heart dissolves and the mind starts to just leak as far as space, okay? By the way, this, this last, we did four so far, right?

We did five if you count the air conditioner, if you count the desire realm. We did five if you count the desire realm. Now we're going to do six.

But just to give you a heads up of the, where we're going, when you do the lion's dance, maybe the whole thing takes an hour, okay?

[Student]
And you don't stop.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
You don't stop.

[Student]
You go, you go from one, you go from air conditioner, four, four, and then purposely you come back. Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
That's a lion, that's most of the lion's dance, okay? But, you're going to have to do something over here. You're going to park here for a while.

There's something beyond the formless realm, okay?

[Student]
Okay?

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Just to give you a preview, okay? Okay, we're going to do a super short formless number one. What's the name of it?

Endless space. Endless space. Okay, here we go.

[Student]
Illimitado.

[Geshe Michael Roach]
Let's come straight to your breath. And let's count ten slow exhales. Then jump straight into the inside of your heart.

Then you and the heart start to dissolve like sugar melting. And you start to spread sideways, horizontal in all directions like space. Stay with that.

Stay in it. Let it go on and on and on, and we'll stay there for five minutes, okay? Body is numb.

And please come back to your breath. Three long exhales. Give away the good karma.

Then you can open your eyes. Take a stretch.